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January 09, 2006 09:00 AM UTC

James Dobson v. Ken Salazar, Round 5 Zillion

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  • by: Blue Sky

Everyone on this site knew it could not be over.  And you were all right.  From the Denver Post:

Focus on the Family Action, the political arm of the Colorado Springs social-conservative group, is launching a week of 250 radio ads in Colorado targeting Salazar.

The spots link the Democrat to anti-Alito statements made by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and urge listeners to call Salazar and “tell him you want him to stop this Kennedy nonsense.”

According to Focus Action itself about a similar print ad being run in other states:

The ads ask senators to consider whether they will hold dear the “Massachusetts values” of U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy and his ilk, or the values of their own state. Whether they will “listen to Ted Kennedy or the people” who sent them to Washington, D.C., to represent them.

Because Ken Salazar obviously represents “Massachusetts values” and can singlehandedly stop “this Kennedy nonsense.”

At the same time, Dobson is trying to stave off questions about Jack Abramoff:

“If the nations politicians dont fix this national disaster, then the oceans of gambling money with which Jack Abramoff tried to buy influence on Capitol Hill will only be the beginning of the corruption well see. Some religious leaders want new ethics rules for Congress, but thats only a band-aid fix. Politicians need to root out this infection. Gambling  all types of gambling  is driven by greed and subsists on greed. That makes it morally bankrupt from its very foundation. Gambling creates addicts, breeds crime and destroys families. We need courageous office holders who will begin the process of shutting down lotteries, casinos and other gambling outlets.”

Yes Doctor we know.  It is definitely the gambling, not the politicians or the lobbyists.

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36 thoughts on “James Dobson v. Ken Salazar, Round 5 Zillion

  1. Who decided that Focus on the Family represented the views of the state of Colorado?  Or has Colorado Springs seceded and formed its own state?  I really hate it when someone from a metropolitan area tries to tell this country boy what he is supposed to think and believe.

  2. What I love is the notion that the ProLifers seem to believe that ProChoicers are ProAbortion.  I’m not quite sure where these folks cooked up that false logic.  Additionally, I’m pretty sure that Colorado has been a Choice state historically, something like 52/48.  Therefore, if Salazar were to listen to his constituency, then he would vote for the freedom of choice – a long standing Republican notion.  The Religious Right really should start looking to the the leadership of the tactics of the Taliban.  They are no different.

    Hey Dobson, we ARE NOT a theocracy.  Keep your religious zealotry out of our system.

  3. What I love is the notion that the ProLifers seem to believe that ProChoicers are ProAbortion.  I’m not quite sure where these folks cooked up that false logic.  Additionally, I’m pretty sure that Colorado has been a Choice state historically, something like 52/48.  Therefore, if Salazar were to listen to his constituency, then he would vote for the freedom of choice – a long standing Republican notion.  The Religious Right really should start looking to the the leadership of the tactics of the Taliban.  They are no different.

    Hey Dobson, we ARE NOT a theocracy.  Keep your religious zealotry out of our system.

  4. Aren’t we all “Pro Life?”

    Why don’t we refer to these people according to what they really are:  Anti Choice.

    As if the rest of us are against life?

  5. Meanwhile, NARAL is courting John Hickenlooper to run for the Dem. primary.

    Look out Bill Ritter, here’s come the Hick.  (And Alice, too?)

  6. May you sleep peacefully, Senator Salazar.

    FotF and Dobson speak loudly, but in Colorado their influence is not broadly shared. Most Coloradoans are live and let-live, small-L libertarians. Maybe 10% of the Colorado voters make decisions from Religious Right talking points, and Salazar wouldn’t get their vote if he was JC come back to life.

    Yes, the religious right is influential within the Republican Party and concentrated in certain districts… Here’s a toast to El Paso County and Republican interest groups!

    On the other hand a quarter to a third of Colorado voters are traditional, bleeding heart Liberals: Subaru-driving, latte-swilling, college-educated, tree-huggers. This huge voting block gives Salazar the support that allows him to take a public stand against Dobson.

    Look at religious demographics and values-polling disaggregation! Colorado stacks up with Washington, Oregon and California, not with Alabama or Kansas.

  7. “We Focus on Your Family and Ignore Ours” needs to realize that every time they attack Ken Salazar, Salazar’s popularity goes up. 

    The best thing that liberals in this state say about Salazar is that he stands up to Focus. Most moderates are happy that he is pissing them off too. Frankly, I’m sure that his office is happy to have the ads running.

  8. “some religious leaders want new ethics rules for congress, but that?s only a band-aid fix.”

    i’ll tell you where we can start with some new “ethics rules” – let’s eliminate the weekly white house “strategery” calls with evangelical christian groups. 

    i guess this is only a band-aid fix as well though and we’ll still have to endure dobson’s incessant screeching through other mediums…

  9. How’s this little tidbit on Dobson to even out all the GOP talking points on “bipartisan scandal”?

    World Magazine reports

    * Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana hires Abramoff to protect its gambling interests from competition. Abramoff hires Reed to lobby Christians to oppose casino openings and expanded gambling laws in Louisiana. Several evangelical leaders?including James Dobson and Tony Perkins?write letters to Interior Secretary Gale Norton opposing a casino opening in Vinton, La.

    Now, Dobson has been against gambling for a long time; Sen. Minority Leader Harry Reid, who signed a similar letter that everyone’s been pointing at, has been against gambling expansion (representing Nevada does that…).  Sometimes a letter is just a letter…

    But I do find it funny that Dobson has gotten involved in the “blame anything other than the politicians involved” game.

  10. RDandrea asks
    “Aren’t we all “Pro Life?””
    Actually, people who advocate the destruction of healthy babies in the womb aren’t pro-life. 
    But since they don’t like the truthful label, “pro death” they label themselves “pro choice.”  But the choice they are defending involves killing innocent life.

  11. I completely disagree that you are advocating abortion by being pro-choice. You don’t have to agree with abortion to believe that a woman should have a right to choose. By your logic, NotEverybodyIsProLife, you are saying that if you support the Iraq war you are pro-death. Would you agree to that?

  12. As opposed to those pro-life folks who support killing 100,000 Iraqis?  I mean, they could at least have chosen to live somewhere else, right?

    “Safe, Legal, and Rare” has been a common slogan among pro-choice folks for a number of years now; it’s not like we’re advocating that every woman should have an abortion.  But that makes the argument from the pro-life side of the fence harder, doesn’t it…

  13. So typical a response from the abortion crowd.

    Talk about a non-sequitur – comparing war-related deaths to abortions.

    So the number is “100,000 Iraqis” now, is it?

    Well, if I wanted to jump into that silly world of comparisons, I guess it’s now fair to ask,

    “What about the 40,000,000 + babies that have been aborted since the 1973 US SC decision?”

  14. Reminds me of Alice Cooper’s song about dead babies….goes something like “..dead babies can’t take care of themselves…dead babies can’t take things off the shelves…” from the album Killer.
    Now I’m not pro life or death but I do believe one American baby is worth more than all the Iraqis put together. And anyone that believes otherwise needs to move, to say, Iraq.

  15. And I thought we were supposed to supposed to believe in equality for all people…  Guess it’s time to pack up and go to Iraq.

    Each of those supposedly 40,000,000 babies that you claim have died in abortions since 1973 is on the consciences of the doctors and mothers that have participated in those abortions; since we can’t back up the existence of souls through any science or logic, that is where we must leave it – we are not a State bound by religion.

    (BTW, that’s 456 babies an hour, 8 hours a day, 365 days a year; I don’t think we have that many abortion doctors, nor do they work weekends, nor do procedures usually take under an hour each…)

  16. Gecko are you insane? One American baby is worth all the Iraqis put together? You realize that the importance of a human life is not determined by where the human was born, right? That kind of hyper-nationalism is never good for any country. I’ll let you figure out the historical references.

  17. Phoenix,
    Your math is faulty.  Planned Parenthood alone (what an ironic name) has 850 clinics, and that’s a decrease since 1995, when they had 930 +/-.

    One does not require a state religion to realize that crushing the skull of a baby in the womb and sucking out its brains is both inhumane and immoral.  And before you go off on that, that’s what PP calls a ‘humane procedure, I guess, and that is the most commonly used method of abortion, the nasty little secret of it all.

  18. Most Planned Parenthood clinics don’t offer abortions.  Next?

    You can describe whatever you want as a procedure, but my basic point remains: does something with a skull constitute a living, breathing, sentient being?  I could say that all abortions include cutting off the foetus’s oxygen supply, but that doesn’t accurately describe the state of the foetus.  It’s a logical fallacy.

  19. “Most Planned Parenthood clinics don’t offer abortions. Next?”

    Oh, dear, where to begin.

    Let’s start with just one example:

    In the state of Mississippi in 1991 (again, just for example) there were 8,800 abortions performed at PP clinics.

    Now, for another example:  I assume you’re familiar with Scott Peterson, the man convicted of killing his pregnant wife.  It’s instructional to note that he was charged with the murder of both his wife and her unborn child.

  20. The issue of foetal “life” in murder cases has not yet been heard by the Supreme Court, and in most states such laws have been attempts to overturn Roe by proxy.  California is relatively unique in the orgins of its statute (emotional outcry after the murder of a pregnant woman, back in the 70s), but I can’t find any information that even that old statute has been challenged above the State Supreme Court level (they limit the definition of foetus in the law to be past 8 weeks, near the end of 1st trimester).

    By your MS numbers, each clinic performs about 0.3 abortions per hour (7 clinics in MS in 1991), which would definitely make your 40,000,000 number inaccurate.  Also, the CDC reports that 80% of abortions are performed within the 1st trimester; that would make your “skull-crushing” number (a description of D&E) inaccurate as well.

    You have not yet tried to rebut my premise with anything that relates to the actual question, BTW.

  21. You don’t HAVE a premise, that’s the problem.  Witness how you keep moving the goalpost, so to speak, from numbers to methods to CDC numbers.  By the way, according to the CDC, the number of abortions IS 40,000,000 plus.

  22. PR & Areyou,  if you love the Iraqi people so much why aren’t you over there elbow to elbow helping them?
    I say again, I would throw myself in front of a bullet to save an American baby, and I really don’t care much about the Iraqis, Iranians, Africans, Chinese, etc. Not my country to worry about. That is you, the liberal’s job.

    And my guess in the abortion debate is that the ones pushing for abortions don’t have their own children. Could be wrong.
    Most women I know that are moms now, would die before anyone harmed their born or unborn kid.

  23. Gecko, if you love America so much, why don’t you marry it? Your arguments are ridiculous.

    Maybe one day you’ll understand how arbitrary national borders are and realize that the only thing differentiating you from a South African guy with AIDS is luck.

    Or maybe you won’t.

  24. Why are we in Iraq spending our citizens’ lives, Gecko?

    BMR, you’re just saying I haven’t a premise because you refuse to read that part of my messages.  By what actual method of proof do we determine that a foetus is a living being?

    Do we prevent women from having a medical procedure to protect her life?  How about severe physical impairment?  Mental impairment?  How about making it illegal for a pregnant woman to do strenuous tasks?

  25. Good come back AREYOU, took awhile to think that one up huh?
    PM, I have nothing to do with why we are in Iraq. But I’m kinda guessing that if we weren’t, you and your liberal friends would be bored stiff. Nothing to complain about.
    And if you want to protect them so badly, why are you so adamant about getting our men out of there? Wouldn’t that just lead to another instant dictatorship? One maybe worse than the last?

  26. Well, at least you didn’t come back and give me some reason that I could slap you around with, I’ll give you that much.

    What I wanted in Iraq, in decending order:
    1) Don’t invade based on the swiss-cheese “evidence” we had.
    2) At least wait for Fall when inspectors would have had a complete report, since they were getting good co-operation from the Iraqi gov’t.
    3) Use the CENTCOM or Army War College plans during invasion, and the CENTCOM or State Dept. plans for reconstruction afterwards.  In other words, apply enough force to do the job right.
    4) Quickly react when it was realized that the (lack of) plan was inadequate, and don’t provoke a larger resistance by indicating your desire to build a permanent presence in the country and dismissing the army with weapons intact.
    5) Make sure we at least have the right equipment to fight an urban insurgence.  APCs and heavy body armor instead of HMMMVs and partial armor would be a start.
    6) Ensure that the new Iraqi Constitution doesn’t alienate the 1/4-1/3 of the population that is most likely to continue resistance from the government.
    7) Realize that you have two options now that it’s so late: drop 500,000 troops and another $1 trillion into Iraq for a long-haul mission, or draw down troops in a safe manner because they aren’t the right force for the job and you don’t want to commit more.

    I don’t think we’d be bored stiff; Bush has done so many other things to ruin this country, the war is just another pip on the resume.  Budget deficits, crappy “recovery”, unitary view of the Presidency (aka “I’m doing this and there’s nothing you can do about it”), torture, unwarranted surveillance of US citizens, oil subsidies at the expense of renewables, loosening pollution laws, pharmaceutical and HMO subsidies…  I could go on for hours on “our” disagreements with Bush, and that doesn’t cover corruption or anything else from the Congressional side…

  27. PS – EMRosa, you didn’t get the memo.  Since the Dems are into re-framing the debate, we now drive Subarus instead of Volvos.  No-one would accuse a Subaru of being an elitist car after all, it’s too practical.

  28. Yeah it’s too bad we didn’t have the perfect Democratic president in office, none of this would have happened. If Clinton, Carter, Ford, or Johnson was in there…….Boy howdy. Things would have been much better. The peace and prosperity would be maddening. Us warmonger conservatives would be besides ourselves.
    Maybe there should be a law outlawing Republicans and/or anyone that looks like one.

  29. PM, forget about the Subarus. Real quality and value in vehicles has a Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Cadillac, Saturn, or GMC tag on it. (Did I forget any) Post 1980’s anyway.
    Besides, owning the rest of ’em is simply putting money in Japanese banks.

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